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- Derek - 11-27-2012 06:56 AM
Fixed. Moussavi lost his home town, his ethnicity, and the youth vote? No way! Ahmadinejad has run the Iranian economy into the ground, so there's no reason for people to vote for him. There was no officials from other countries in Iran to make sure the election was fair. How did they hand-count 35,000,000 votes in 24 hours? Also, there's no way an election that, by all accounts, was supposed to be close, could end up being a land slide by that large a margin.
- kramreg - 11-27-2012 06:56 AM
I don't think it really matters if the president is Ahmadinejad or Elmer Fudd. They're not allowed to do anything without getting permission from the mullahs first.
- myrrdin_810 - 11-27-2012 06:56 AM
i think it doesn't matter. any "election" in Iran is a complete farce, much like the elections Cuba used to hold in the 80s... SURPRISE! Fidel won with 98% of the popular vote!
they have a supreme leader there, an ayatollah name ali khaminei, who holds absolute power along with his little psychotic cabal of hardline clerics.
they are not elected, their names never appear on any ballot, and they have final authority over everything.
the president can't hire or fire so much as a dog-catcher without their tacit approval.
until the Iranian people are prepared to pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to the cause of liberty, they will continue to get the government they deserve.
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- justgoodfolk - 11-27-2012 06:56 AM
There are no honest elections in Iran. They were probably rigged but I think Ahmadinejad would have won anyway. That caller clearly has no clue.
For anyone with a serious knowledge of Iranian society and politics, the decisive victory of Ahmadinejad could not have come as a surprise. Even Western newspapers that denounced the election admitted that the incumbent had strong support among urban workers and the rural poor—the vast majority of the population. Ahmadinejad has retained this constituency, despite the repressive and corrupt character of the regime, because of the absence of a socialist alternative.
On what mass base could Mousavi depend for a successful bid to unseat Ahmadinejad? The candidate of the Iranian liberal establishment, he campaigned as no less an ardent defender of Islamist clerical rule than Ahmadinejad. On domestic policy, he vaguely called for more openness, while opposing Ahmadinejad’s “populist†subsidies to the urban poor and the peasantry.
The media has not sought to explain why the mass of the Iranian people should be expected to support an advocate of the same free market policies that have produced a social disaster throughout the world. Mousavi’s most prominent backer, moreover, was Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a leading figure in the state apparatus and one of the country’s wealthiest men. Rafsanjani, notorious for his corruption, is despised by Iranian workers and the poor.
Mousavi’s actual electoral base did not extend beyond better-off-sections of the urban middle class, university students and businessmen.
It is this class divide that is largely ignored by the Western media. Mousavi’s so-called reforms were pitched largely to a relatively privileged and narrow social base. The reforms themselves consisted essentially of a toning down of the rhetoric employed by Ahmadinejad in order to smooth the way to improved relations with Washington, an easing of US-backed sanctions and the opening up of the country to foreign capital. At the same time, they were identified with “free market†capitalism and opposition to the social assistance programs for the working class and rural poor. Such austerity measures hardly served as a pole of attraction for these layers, which constitute the majority of the Iranian population.
For his part, Ahmadinejad utilized these programs—combined with populist demagogy and appeals to religious piety—to maintain a popular base for the regime.
The bitterness of the election campaign and its aftermath is a distorted reflection of the class tensions building up in Iran as well as a product of the increasing fissures within the ruling political establishment of the Islamic Republic, both of which are exacerbated by the pressure exerted by the US and the European powers.
All of those running in the election were vetted by the clerics on the Guardian Council and are members of the same political establishment.
Lionized by the Western press, Mousavi is an unlikely champion of “reform.†During the period he held the post of prime minister—1981-1989—he presided over mass executions of political dissidents, many of them leftists, as well as the Iran-Iraq War, in which Iran suffered a million casualties, dead and wounded.
Considered a “hardliner†during this period, he has been cast as a reformist and a modernizer in an appeal to the Iranian middle classes. Behind his campaign, however, are right-wing elements within the clerical hierarchy and, most importantly, former Iranian president Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, reportedly the richest man in Iran.
While the differences between the sections of the regime backing Mousavi and those supporting the re-election of Ahmadinejad are of a tactical character, they are no less bitter because of it. Involved are major financial interests as well as concerns about how best to manage Iran’s relations with Washington and the other major imperialist powers.
The elections and the claims of fraud have been utilized by the major powers to orchestrate a campaign of pressure against Iran, aimed at bringing about a shift in policy that would favor their interests in the region.
Western pressure has no more to do with democratic rights in Iran than the arms and support provided to the Shah did 30 years ago. The aim of the US and the rest of the Western powers is to fully subjugate Iran in order to further their strategic interests in the region and fully exploit its massive energy resources.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/jun2009/iran-j16.shtml
- batmanthefallen - 11-27-2012 06:56 AM
Fight for your freedom Iranians. Freedom to Iran.
The iranian government have constantly ignored Obama's helping hand to them,, it's no ones fault but their own. The iranian people don't want this, they want better relations with the west. They want freedom and freedom shall come soon.
Like Obama said, the protesters 'have been an
inspiration across the world'. It is their duty to stand up and fight for themselves and finally they are taking control of their rights. There voices will be heard. Now is the time. The time for change and freedom.
Look at these shocking pictures of riots and protests coming from inside Iran:
http://shooresh1917.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_13.html
Here is a website showing hundreds of photo's from over the past few days:
http://picfog.com/search/iranelection
Mass rioting, marches and protests, the people of iran want change for the better.
They care for the future of their country. Spread the word! Time for a Revolution, it's the only solution:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7uA9ZygnXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mqf00InV9E&feature=popular
Internet services blocked, Cell phone access blocked, websites like facebook, youtube, and yahoo messenger have all been blocked.
Western Journalists are being arrested and having their tapes seized from them. Iranians need to know what's going on in their own country. The government have ordered the foreign media to leave at once. They have banned all forien journalists from reporting in Iran. No filming or photographing is allowed. And without reporters on the streets, the militia force are allowed to be brutal to the iranian people. People have been shot and killed. All this under the brutal regime.
Claims that Mousavi WON the election:
http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Politics/?id=3.0.3433629806
Iranian Force raid Tehran university and raid rooms beating students just for trying to send out messages via the internet to the outside world.
Pictures of raided university and beaten students. Some students were killed:
http://picasaweb.google.com/iranonfire/KooyeDaneshgahTehranUniComplex#
Shocking and siturbing footage of protesters being shot and killed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMUgZXz2YjA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFqPbAZKzEg&feature=related
Protesters shouting "Death to the Dictator!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8e9NrCc9Bg
The majority of iranians oppose Ahmadinejad. They want freedom in their country and not a religious dictatorship and now they are finally taking this opportunity to stand up and fight for their rights no matter how long or how much it will take. The support from many across the world is overwhelming. They are not alone, The whole world is watching them. They have the support of many across the world.
You can keep uptodate with news regarding the situation on Twitter. I like many other people, have been posting links regarding information about what is happening inside Iran as because as you know they are being prevented access with information to the outside world.
Internet services blocked, Cell phone access blocked, websites like facebook, youtube, and yahoo messenger have all been blocked.
They deserve their voices to be heard and deserve there rights to protest without being murdered by this evil and corrupt regime led by, as many call, "the new satan" or Hitler-Ahmadniejad. They need to know. The world needs to know. And the amount of passion and courage they have shown is unbelievable. People risking their lives and being killed just by standing up and making themselves heard.
Keep up to date with the iran riot from people inside Iran on Twitter:
http://tweetgrid.com/grid?l=2&q1=from%3A2hamed+OR+from%3Aabbaspour+OR+from%3Aalirezasha+OR+from%3Abahadorn+OR+from%3ABahram81+OR+from%3AChange_for_Iran+OR+from%3Airan09+OR+from%3Aknv+&q2=from%3Amadyar+OR+from%3Amohamadreza+OR+from%3Amousavi1388+OR+from%3Aparastoo+OR+from%3Aparhamdoustdar+OR+from%3Apersiankiwi+OR+from%3Asmileofcrash&q3=from%3Asmileofcrash+OR+from%3AStopAhmadi+OR+from%3Atabesh+OR+from%3ATehranBureau+OR+from%3Atehranelection+OR+from%3Awillyong+OR+from%3Ay_shar
"students being killed in tehran uni dorm in amirabad right now. this must stop, ahmadinejad must stop"
"i am hearing that students beaten severly at tehran uni tonight. am speaking with someone on the scene now on mobile"
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Spread the word and help the the people of iran. Fight for freedom.!
You do know the media is beign controlled by the government in Iran. They are preventing western journalists and the media from reporting and have even cut internet and cell phone acces from within Iran. People of Iran are being prevented access with information to the outside world. THEY NEED TO KNOW what's going on inside their own country!
Ahmadinejad is CORRUPT. The elections were rigged, a fraud. Down with the dictator.
toward a free democratic Iran.
Shame on Ahmadinejad.
The Iranian fascist government has deployed the Lebanon Hezbollah and the Basij thugs to do their dirty work for them. Down with the dictators. Death to Ahmadinejad and his supporters. Long live democracy. Salute to freedom. Long live Iranian activists
- babak_deghat - 11-27-2012 06:56 AM
no he didn't!he cheated!and now he is suppressing the protesters