+- Twitist Forums (http://twitist.com)
+-- Forum: General Social Media & Marketing Forums (/forum-8.html)
+--- Forum: Social Marketing (/forum-10.html)
+--- Thread: How could a president love a country that he wants to fundamentally change? (/thread-42492.html)
Pages: 1 2
How could a president love a country that he wants to fundamentally change? - Trent - 11-18-2012 01:05 PM
I'd like to get some of your opinions. First, I like to state some facts. If anyone knows anything about history, it is common knowledge that America became the worlds most powerful country after we claimed independence and adopted the fundamentals of the Constitution. In under 200 years of civilization, America became the worlds number one super power. There are civilizations on this planet that are thousands of years old that haven't accomplished a fraction of what we have. We can all agree on this fact, right? Capitalism was at its strongest during this time; Low taxes, free markets and a very limited government. So why can't everybody agree that it was capitalism that made this the best and safest country on the planet to live? As government started getting more powerful throughout the more recent decades, the quality of living has decreased dramatically.
This being said, how can people vote for Obama when he wants to fundamentally change this country and expedite our transition in to socialism?
- JOBS - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
Yeah it makes no phucking sense, welcome to Twilight Zone America.
- Addison - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
He cant
- The MobFather - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
He never has and never will.
He has nothing but contempt for this nation and the principals it was founded upon.
You are 100% correct, it was capitalism and liberty that made this country strong.
But Obama, and liberals in general, view a system in which the "pursuit" of happiness is not as worthy as a system that Guarantees the acquisition of happiness.
It's not enough to be free. Liberty takes responsibility, and sadly some choose to hand that over to higher powers.
Now, the country founded on equal opportunity has become the country that "tries" to insure equal results. That cannot be achieved without sacrificing liberty, plain and simple.
- Ghostlight - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
You are an idiot.
- iris054 - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
Ike taxed the wealthy at 90%.
Reagan taxed them at 50%.
Obama taxes them at 35%.
After the New Deal and the war, the Democrat-dominated 50s, 60s, and 70s were the most prosperous time for the middle class in our history. We had strong unions, no deficit to speak of, strong upward mobility, low unemployment, and very high taxes on the wealthy. Ike created thousands of new jobs building our National Highway System with *cash*. We had trade policies that stopped our jobs from going overseas. Wages were high enough men could support their families and get ahead while wives stayed home with the kids. We had high taxes on the rich and low unemployment with plenty of good jobs. We had Social Security, Medicare, food stamps and welfare. We had paid down our WWII debt. We had strong infrastructure.
Now look at us now after Republicans have controlled the White House for 20 of the last 30 years.
See the difference? If Democrats were bad for the economy, the 50s, 60s and 70s would have been times of very high unemployment. But they weren't. High unemployment and a crashed economy is what we’re seeing now with the Republican plan of low taxes for the rich, and low regulation on business.
Americans want to see higher wealth taxes
http://story.birminghamstar.com/index.php/ct/9/cid/b8de8e630faf3631/id/727492/cs/1/ht/Americans-want-to-see-higher-wealth-taxes/
Poll: Most Americans say tax the rich to balance the budget
http://www.examiner.com/populist-in-national/poll-most-americans-say-tax-the-rich-to-balance-the-budget
It’s the Inequality, Stupid
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph
The Top Ten Percent Income Share, 1917-2008 (note The Great Depression versus now)
http://rs.resalliance.org/2010/09/22/inequality-in-the-usa-driven-by-politics/
Among developed countries, the United States currently accepts the highest level of income inequality. (It's important to know that no other advanced economy has seen a comparable surge in inequality.)
http://csis.org/blog/us-tolerance-income-inequality
See also: http://www.slate.com/id/2266174/slideshow/2266174/fs/0//entry/2266213/
Lower and Middle Class Does Better Under Democratic Presidents than Republican Presidents
http://www.slate.com/id/2266025/entry/2266030
See also: http://www.slate.com/id/2266174/slideshow/2266174/fs/0//entry/2266218/
Why the rich should pay more taxes
http://www.zompist.com/richtax.htm
##
- Jeff - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
I am no fan of Obama and really hope he loses this November.......but I can see how someone could love a country and want to change it at the same time.
The citizens of the old Soviet Union for instance........just because many of them wanted to end the communist rule and change things to a market economy with democratically elected leaders doesn't mean they hated their country.
fwiw
- Ms. Einstein - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
I'm glad to know there were never any problems in America whatsoever, prior to Obama's arrival....
- Greg W - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
Capitalism was strongest during WHAT time?
I would argue that American capitalism was at its strongest... shortly after WW2. You can look up those tax rates for yourself.... but "low" could not accurately be used to describe them
Facts are facts. So what is your evidence that America was "strongest" when tax rates were lowest??
- SayAgain - 11-18-2012 01:13 PM
In Obama-land whats right is wrong and whats wrong is right.. Everything is so freaking backwards now a days from our beginning its ridiculous.. And people wonder why America is going to hell in a hand basket.
Just look at how your treated if you believe in God by the left they automatically label you as a religious nut job. Claim your a proud American the left labeles you a racist because you have to hate illegals. Look at those kids in Cali that wore the American flag t-shirts that all the lefties got all upset over because it would offend the illegals. Claim you believe marriage is between a man & women the left labels you a homophobe.