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how does an illegal immigrant get a social security number? - flower - 12-23-2012 02:15 AM
im really curious as to how a illegal immigrant with no documents can get a social security number,
i know people who have done this without any papers,, so how do they do it and get away with it? please no rude comments about deportation, i just want a simple explanation on how you can do that with no documents?
- Yak Rider - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
They buy fake cards at places like flea markets. It's a huge problem.
http://www.cis.org/identitytheft
The findings include:
Illegal immigrants are not “undocumented.†They have fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake “green cards,†and phony birth certificates. Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment.
Most (98 percent) Social Security number (SSN) thieves use their own names with stolen numbers. The federal E-Verify program, now mandated in only 14 states, can detect this fraud. Universal, mandatory use of E-Verify would curb this and stop virtually 100 percent of child identity theft.
Illegal immigration and high levels of identity theft go hand-in-hand. States with the most illegal immigration also have high levels of job-related identity theft. In Arizona, 33 percent or all identity theft is job-related (as opposed to identity theft motivated simply by profit). In Texas it is 27 percent; in New Mexico, 23 percent; in Colorado, 22 percent; California, 20 percent; and in Nevada, 16 percent. Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of illegal aliens in their total population are among the top 10 states in identity theft (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas, Nevada, New York, Georgia, and Colorado).
Children are prime targets. In Arizona, it is estimated that over one million children are victims of identity theft. In Utah, 1,626 companies were found to be paying wages to the SSNs of children on public assistance under the age of 13. These individuals suffer very real and very serious consequences in their lives.
Illegal aliens commit felonies in order to get jobs. Illegal aliens who use fraudulent documents, perjure themselves on I-9 forms, and commit identity theft in order to get jobs are committing serious offenses and are not “law abiding.â€
Illegally employed aliens send billions of dollars annually to their home countries, rather than spending it in the United States and helping stimulate the American economy. In October 2008 alone, $2.4 billion was transferred to Mexico.
Tolerance of corruption erodes the rule of law. Corruption is a serious problem in most illegal aliens’ home countries. Allowing it to flourish here paves the way for additional criminal activity and increased corruption throughout society.
Leaders support perpetrators and ignore victims. Political, civic, religious, business, education, and media leaders blame Americans for “forcing†illegal aliens to commit document fraud and identity theft. No similar concern is expressed for the American men, women, and children whose lives are destroyed in the process.
The Social Security Administration and Internal Revenue Service facilitate illegal immigrant-driven identity theft. Both turn a blind eye to massive SSN fraud and take no action to stop it. The Social Security Administration assigns SSNs to new-born infants that are being used illegally. The IRS demands that victims pay taxes on wages earned by illegal aliens using their stolen SSNs, while taking no action to stop the identity theft.
State and local governments need to adopt tougher laws to supplement federal efforts. The Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is targeting large document fraud rings and the most egregious employers, but their resources are limited and stretched across multiple priorities. In 2007, identity theft cases represented only 7 percent of the total ICE case load.
Employers must do their part. They can ensure that they have a legal workforce by using a combination of the federal government’s E-Verify and Social Security Number Verification Service systems and by signing up for the federal government’s IMAGE program or privately conducted audits.
- nicholas a - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
where do you live, if you are at miami i could hook you up with some one i know that does this
- Uncle - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
just commit another crime and buy a stolen or fake one
- faustina f - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
First you can apply for a green card:
Green Card (Permanent Residence)
new green card image
Who is a Permanent Resident?
A permanent resident is someone who has been granted authorization to live and work in the United States on a permanent basis. As proof of that status, a person is granted a permanent resident card, commonly called a "green card." You can become a permanent resident several different ways. Most individuals are sponsored by a family member or employer in the United States. Other individuals may become permanent residents through refugee or asylee status or other humanitarian programs. In some cases, you may be eligible to file for yourself.
The steps to become a permanent resident are different for each category and will depend on if you are currently living inside or outside the United States. The main categories are listed below. More information is available in the links to the left.
* Green Card Through Family
How to apply for permanent residence when a family member petitions for you
* Green Card Through a Job
How to apply for permanent residence based on a job offer or employment
* Green Card Through Refugee or Asylum Status
How to apply for permanent residence when you have been granted refugee or asylum status
* Other Ways to Get a Green Card
Learn about the many other ways that you may qualify for permanent residence
If you are unsure which immigration path best fits your particular situation, see the "Green Card Processes & Procedures" link to the left which includes:
* Green Card Eligibility
Learn who can apply for permanent residence
* Adjustment of Status
Learn about the multi-step process for individuals inside the United States that want to get a green card
* Consular Processing
Learn about the multi-step process for individuals outside the United States that want to get a green card
If you are already a permanent resident, see the "After the Green Card Is Granted" link to the left for more information about renewing or replacing your green card, travel outside the United States, your rights and responsibilities as a permanent resident, conditional residency, and more.
This page can be found at: http://www.uscis.gov/greencard
And then apply for a SSN:
Application for a Social Security Card - Form SS-5-FS
Introduction
The “Application For A Social Security Card†(Form SS-5-FS) is the form to be completed if you have never had a number before or need a duplicate or corrected card. Use this form if you are living outside the United States or are applying for a number or card on behalf of a child who is living outside the United States. If you (or the child on whose behalf you are applying) is living outside the United States, we can assign a number or issue a duplicate or corrected card if you (or the child) are: (1) a United States citizen or (2) a noncitizen with current lawful, work-authorized immigration status.
Otherwise, we can assign a number or issue a duplicate or corrected card only if a Social Security number is required by law as a condition of receiving a federally-funded benefit to which you (or the child) have established entitlement.
How to Obtain the Form
Below you will find the SS-5-FS in Portable Document Format (PDF). To print the PDF version, you will need the Adobe Acrobat reader software. If you do not already have this special software, see our page on downloading and printing PDF documents.
After you download the Adobe Acrobat Reader, come back to this page and download the PDF version of the SS-5-FS:
SS-5FS in PDF Icon
SSA forms must be printed on 8 1/2" x 11" white paper. You must print the form with blue or black ink to be acceptable to SSA.
NOTE: if you live abroad, and cannot obtain 8.5 x 11 paper, the use of A4 size paper (8.25 x 11.7) is the only acceptable alternative.
How to Complete the Form
Complete the SS-5-FS following the instructions on the form. Also see the form for the evidence you will need.
Where to Send the Form
Finally, you should take or mail the completed form with the required original documents or copies certified by the custodian of the record to the nearest U.S. Social Security office, U.S. Embassy or consulate, or if you live in the Philippines, to the Veterans Affairs Regional Office in Manila. If you are a U.S. military dependent or a U.S. citizen working on a U.S. military post, you may also go to the Post Adjutant or Personnel Office. These offices can copy and certify your records so that you do not have to send original documents through the mail. Do NOT mail original documents to the Social Security Administration in Baltimore, Maryland.
Your Social Security card will be mailed to you from the United States.
http://www.ssa.gov/online/ss-5fs.html
- Lisa A - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
They steal it and commit identity theft and fraud.
- sillyhorse599 - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
Some of the numbers are just fake. When the employer begins paying tax on the employee, the Social Security Administration just sends back a letter saying that the number can't be located and that the employer should correct it. They don't stop collecting the taxes or even really do a major investigation because sometimes people just write down their numbers wrong. Sometimes the numbers belong to other people, or dead people.
- Paco Rodriguez - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
They steal it , or make it up
- Oldwhiteguy2earth - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
They buy a valid number on the black market for $50 or so. There are certain streets in LA where you can just go stand and someone will come up and ask you what you are interested in. There are some popular, common names where there are 50 or 100 people all over the United States, paying Social Security into the system for the same number. The government doesn't do anything because they don't know which person is the right one, and they need the money from the other 99 people.
- workingman - 12-23-2012 02:23 AM
They do identity theft