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Was Jesus an existing sinner, or a non-existing sinner?
02-27-2014, 02:04 PM
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Was Jesus an existing sinner, or a non-existing sinner?
Luke 1:37- With God, nothing shall be impossible. In other words, all things are possible with God, except for making all things become nothing (as in God making Jesus' sin become nothing). Was Jesus capable of being a non-existing sinner, or is this anti-Christ? Did Luke see nothing exaggerating religion? Jesus stated whosoever can commit the unpardonable sin (Matt 12:32), not the alternative, you're presently saved (proof he's become a martyr). Teaching nothing means you have nothing to prove you were right, ever. Likewise if you disagree (which only increases regret). Hidden Priority Factor-congress.org was posted on google (as well as hiddenpriorityfactoroutlook.com which is also on facebook, and explained). Get engaged (for your own well being!).
Existing isn't perfect so perfect isn't existing. Jesus was teaching perfection (Matt 5:48). Gods didn't create out of nothing, so Gods created out of Gods (meaning Gods are physical existence). Religion is stating a future perfection is existing at present (contradicting the verb time). The law needs proof to convict, likewise you if disagreeing, or you're being prejudice (illegal).
Warning!: Teaching non-existing is existing = existing is non-existing, when it's illegal to lie to law officials. I am a reasoner (neither atheistic or religous). No one but a reasoner should teach terrorism a single thing about Allah (due to instigation factors). Safety first. Facts prove it will escalate terrorist attacks. Disregarding priority is ultimate unlawful neglect. Hidden Priority Factor-congress.org was posted on google (as well as hiddenpriorityfactoroutlook.com which is also on facebook and explained). Get engaged (for you're own well being!).
All known proof proves non-existence can't be affected by exercise making it the ultimate established lie. John (Rev.) did not write an angel was going to appear out of the clouds out of nothing and fix the world, he wrote someone was going to do it in righteousness (Rev. 19:11, a lesser degree of sin, not perfection). Are you against a man fixing the world?
By the way, sinless would be minimum sin. That means Jesus was either a minimum existing sinner or a non-existing sinner (bottom line).
If I wipe water on the bottom of my foot and walk, it's not necessarily a bad thing for people to think that I walked on a lake (later on), because all things are possible with
God! People need to know this first and foremost! The bible has to be full of unintended exaggeration. From everything I read, it reads no where specifically, that the spirit physically impregnated the virgin Mary. It reads the spirit overshadowed her and she had a premonition. This leaves far to much to the imagination. Exaggeration is a lie, period. It is not a plan in insight.

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02-27-2014, 02:05 PM
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Jesus was God, incapable of sin. 'Nuff said.

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02-27-2014, 02:06 PM
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Existing sinless man.
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02-27-2014, 02:11 PM
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That's easy, the answer to both is no.

Jesus is the sinless Lamb of God, come down from heaven, to die for the sins of the world. Only through faith in Him can a sinner like you find forgiveness of sins and be reconciled to the God. But not until you forsake your own self confidence and self righteousness, and humble yourself to the dust and realize you are morally bankrupt before God will you be able to appreciate the beauty of Jesus Christ.
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02-27-2014, 02:16 PM
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he might have existed.
but not as thaumaturgic as stated.
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02-27-2014, 02:29 PM
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Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him). They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. The Quran confirms his virgin birth, and a chapter of the Quran is entitled ‘Maryam’(Mary). The Quran describes the birth of Jesus as follows:

(Remember) when the angels said,“O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said,“My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said,“So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only,‘Be!’ and it is.”(Quran, 3:45-47)

Jesus was born miraculously by the command of God, the same command that had brought Adam into being with neither a father nor a mother. God has said:

The case of Jesus with God is like the case of Adam. He created him from dust, and then He said to him,“Be!” and he came into being.(Quran, 3:59)

During his prophetic mission, Jesus performed many miracles. God tells us that Jesus said:

“I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. I make for you the shape of a bird out of clay, I breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by God’s permission. I heal the blind from birth and the leper. And I bring the dead to life by God’s permission. And I tell you what you eat and what you store in your houses....”(Quran, 3:49)

Muslims believe that Jesus was not crucified. It was the plan of Jesus’ enemies to crucify him, but God saved him and raised him up to Him. And the likeness of Jesus was put over another man. Jesus’ enemies took this man and crucified him, thinking that he was Jesus. God has said:

...They said,“We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God.” They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man)...(Quran, 4:157)

Neither Muhammad nor Jesus came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but rather to confirm it.

CONCLUSION
(a) If Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Christ (pbuh) and not one who worships Christ (pbuh).(We are more Christian than the Christians themselves).

(b) Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah.
Jesus (pbuh) said, "not my will but thy will be done." i.e. Muslim.

John 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.


Jesus was considered by Muslims to be a prophet of God.
"Not only do we believe in Jesus," I replied, pausing for maximum dramatic effect, "we also believe in the Virgin Birth." My friend's eyes widened with surprise, his mouth agape.
Christians, perhaps because they call themselves Christians and believe in Christianity, like to claim ownership of Christ. It thus comes as a huge surprise to many of them - my friend included - to discover that the world's second-largest faith, Islam, also stakes a claim to him.

Jesus, or Isa, as he is known in Arabic, is deemed by Islam to be a Muslim prophet rather than the Son of God, or God incarnate. He is referred to by name in as many as 25 different verses of the Quran and described as the "Word" and the "Spirit" of God. No other prophet in the Quran, not even Muhammad, is given this particular honour.
In fact, Islam reveres both Jesus and his mother, Mary (Joseph appears nowhere in the Islamic narrative of Christ's birth). "Unlike the canonical Gospels, the Quran tilts backward to his miraculous birth rather than forward to his Passion," writes Professor Tarif Khalidi, in his fascinating book The Muslim Jesus. "This is why he is often referred to as 'the son of Mary' and why he and his mother frequently appear together." In fact, Mary, or Maryam, as she is known in the Quran, is considered by Muslims to hold the most exalted spiritual position among women. She is the only woman mentioned by name in Islam's holy book and a chapter of the Quran is named after her.
But the real significance of Mary is that Islam also considers her a virgin and endorses the Christian concept of the Virgin Birth. "She was the chosen woman, chosen to give birth to Jesus, without a husband," says Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, an imam in Leicester and assistant secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain.
For Muslims, however, the Virgin Birth is not evidence of Jesus's divinity, only of his unique importance as a prophet and a messiah. The Trinity is rejected by Islam, as is Jesus's Crucifixion and Resurrection. The Quran castigates Christianity for the widespread practice among its sects of deifying Jesus (and Mary), and casts the criticism in the form of an interrogation of Jesus by God:
And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it
Muslims cherish and venerate Jesus the prophet – but, I often wonder, are we paying only lip-service to his life and legacy? Where, for example, is the Islamic equivalent of Christmas? Why do Muslims celebrate the birth of the Prophet Muhammad but not that of the Prophet Jesus? "We, too, in our own way should celebrate the birth of Jesus … [because] he is so special to us," says Mogra.
In recent years, the right-wing press in Britain has railed against alleged attempts by "politically correct" local authorities to downplay or even suppress Christmas. Birmingham's attempt to name its seasonal celebrations "Winterval" and Luton's Harry Potter-themed lights, or "Luminos", are notorious examples. There is often a sense that such decisions are driven by the fear that outward displays of Christian faith might offend British Muslim sensibilities, but, given the importance of Jesus in Islam, such fears are misplaced and counter-productive. Mogra, who leads the MCB's interfaith relations committee, concurs: "It's a ridiculous suggestion to change the name of Christmas." He adds: "Britain is great when it comes to celebrating diverse religious festivals of our various faith communities. They should remain named as they are, and we should celebrate them all."
Amid tensions between the Christian west and the Islamic east, I believe a common focus on Jesus could help close the growing divide between the world's two largest faiths. Others agree. "We don't have to fight over Jesus. He is special for Christians and Muslims," says Mogra. "He is bigger than life. We can share him."

Read The Last & Final Testament Of God The Quran On Line With An Open Mind

Read about Jesus(Peace be upon him) Quran Chapter 3:33-84 Chapter 5:72-78 and Chapter 19 Surah Maryam

http://dar-us-salam.com/TheNobleQuran/index.html

http://www.tellmeaboutislam.com/quran-ch...-mary.html
http://www.freewebs.com/proofofislam/sci...equran.htm

Read on line Books( Islam, Muhammad, Jesus, Mary etc.)
http://www.islamhouse.com/pg/9661/books/1

http://www.islamicbook.ws/english/english-034.pdf

May the light of truth shine in your heart and mind. May it lead you to peace and certitude in this life and eternal bliss in here after.

Whenever you want to pursue the truth and verify anything you hear about Islam, I urge you to please use the only valid and divine source of Islam, Quran.
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