What is the true meaning of British Expat. in the E.U.?

[e.l]

Does anyone feel the same?

I am an Expat. from the UK and I have worked to serve the British 90% of my career in the E.U.
I have created wealth for the UK while paying my taxes in the country of residence.
I can say “Wealth” that has been taxed by the UK government and paid out in benefits for the U.K.
I have never complained but to find out that the door is shutting is unsettling.
I have gone forth in the name of Britain and now because I remained an employee I am to be rejected.
Labelled as a ‘Citizen of convenience’.
It is not good enough.

Why? What is the point beside re-classing us for with drawing legal defense?
What are you talking about?
Cephalopod

As I said I earned the UK money which UK have spent.
I also have-
Private Health Insurance
Private pension
and E.U. rights to social defense.

Do you really think that I need the UK for the use of their services?

I wish you would read the statement and not spout rubbish
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player...ngId=14691

HoC European Scrutiny Committee Wednesday 22 January 2014

Committee Room 16
Meeting started on Wednesday 22 January at 2.06pm. Ended at 4.23pm
The application of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights in the UK

Listen to the Professers.

[John G]

Basically if you choose not to live and work in the UK then that's up to you but you cannot expect any favours should you wish to come back to the UK, we have had several stories in the papers of people that have been abroad for 30 years in some cases and they think they are entitled to a free council house and a full pension, like many countries in around 30 years time the majority in the UK will be retired and there won't be enough people working to keep the country going..

[Robert]

A British Citizen leaving permanently abroad.

[Cephalopod]

Definition of Ex.pat is someone desperately avoiding paying UK tax until,they get Ill and come rushing back to use the NHS , which is payed for out of UK tax!!

When you paid UK tax ( I'm sure you didn't try every conceivable method of reducing you tax income) you got the UK infrastructure, law courts, police, a trained work force, power, gas all provided by the state for your profits. You also got governments which reduced your work force rights to a minimum, which allowed you to work them the longest hours in Europe, with less rights and increased your,right to " fire and hire" without explanation or fair due process as it cuts legal aid. The state made it possible for you make nice profits.
For this you've run away to pay as little or no UK tax whatsoever, that's fine , it's your money but then you should lose your rights to vote in an election which you have nothing to do with, a country you despise so much that you left to pay no tax, a country you have no interest in.
That's your choice, but don't expect us to have you back.

See you when you get sick.

Edit
So, who us labelling you then?

I don't care, you're not British anyway, you're a foreigner who pays tax to a foreign country.

[Matthew]

If you choose yto leave you choose to leave. The others are right. Ive seen people who have not been seen on these shores for years turn up expecting free healthcare. You may pay tax for 30 years but others pay it for 70 plus. The Uk doesnt owe you anything for leaving.

[Foolishghost885]

Don't believe everything you read in the Daily Mail. There are countries where you can lose citizenship if you are away too long, the UK is not one of them and never will be. By living overseas for several years you can lose the right to claim certain benefits but not British citizenship. Even gaining another citizenship will not change things.

The problem is that we have become the world's benefit sink hole because of our fantastically generous handouts. To make ourselves a less attractive destination, we have to cut benefit entitlements and that means cut everyone. If you have followed the uproar about the so called 'bedroom tax', you will appreciate how tough this is.

Unfortunately, benefit migration negatively impacts most those at the bottom of the food chain as they are the ones competing for the unskilled jobs with hungry immigrants.

[Andi]

You seem to be confused over what you potentially would be denied.

In most countries, you need to take out private Insurance for
- unemployment
- Health cover
- Pensions

In the UK most of that is done 'automatically' from your NI (National 'Insurance') payments.

So if you are not paying NI, and not a normally/habitual permanent resident,
then why should you benefit from the insurance that you are not paying into.

It is insurance, not an investment fund.
no insurance, no cover.

The UK rules were also written when it was assumed that only UK Citizens meant residents (and vice versa). The EU re-wrote that, to mean any EU citizen resident in the UK had to have the same rights irrespective of their past contributions (to the UK funding).

Most other EU countries did not write their benefits (and some effectively do not have them - try portugal etc), in such wide terms, and are very specific to contributions and being a local citizen etc.


The UK is struggling to either become more restrictive to contributors only
or (like other EU countries) not provide at all.

If you are now working/living in Holland, and have been paying in there,
then you are a resident of holland, and therefore when in need will call on that countries 'insurance' system. There is no expectation that you would run home to the UK, and claim in the UK insurance system that you have not been paying into ? (reasonable ?)

In addition,
expats - who have been living (mostly out of the EU) and happily not paying any insurance or pension (and often little or no taxes), and did not put that in a safe alternate place (personal pension), cannot expect to come home and expect those on lower wages, and did pay taxes and Insurance to support them.

Over and above all that
The EU does say, that you can transfer and cross claim your pension etc
so if you do 10 years in Holland, 10 years in Germany, and 10 years in UK
you have 30 years pension contributions and each country will pay their proportion to whereever you retire in the end - even if any one country says you have say have 20 years minimum contributions - you have that, just spread around the single market of the EU.

You therefore should have no worries at all,
but yes, do recognise which country you have been conttributing to, and therefore which one you will be claiming on, in case of need.

EU rights
http://europa.eu/

Posting abroad
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/wor...dex_en.htm

Residence rights
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/res...dex_en.htm


Access to benefits
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/wor...dex_en.htm