THE "Liberal Left"; Why must You insist on Comparing UKIP to the B.N.P?

[Stuart B]

To be honest, I don't think many people in the media or in mainstream politics associate UKIP with the BNP any more. Nick Griffin was never really accepted into the mainstream - he made one appearance on Question Time which was turned into a bit of a scandal. On the other hand Farage has been on Question Time countless times and nobody blinks an eye (in fact he may even have been on Question Time more than any other person). Certainly some people make that argument, but it's becoming increasingly less common and I think there's a danger of arguing against a straw man here.

With that said if there is a link it's that a sizeable chunk of their platform is based around the anti-immigration vote. You might call that common sense, but no economist would say a five year freeze on immigration is sensible. We're coming out of the worst recession in living memory and immigration is positively linked to economic growth. It makes no sense at all to shoot ourselves in the foot economically simply to appeal to those who have a chip on their shoulder about immigration.

Now we can also argue about the social cost of immigration. Farage himself said recently that he would accept a drop in our prosperity as a price to pay for cutting immigration. That's fair enough if we want to make that argument, but let's be clear about what it's actually costing us - jobs, cost of living, public services, and so on. While it's wrong to put UKIP in the same basket as the BNP, it's also pointless to pretend that there aren't some people out there who are anti-immigration for the sake of it (over and above any practical reasons).

[Tom]

Hey, I don't do this, because I am actually informed about both parties and know the difference, oh, and I'm kind of liberal too.

Yes, people who don't have a clue will often take two crazy parties and lump them together because they're right wing crazy parties.

No, they're not right that these parties are similar, other than they have MEPs (well the BNP currently has 1) and no MPs and their manifestos make no sense at all.

[Redmonk]

We live in a great Democracy don't we? If you're Gay and get refused lodgings at a B &B the landlord takes you to court and makes you pay damages.

If you're a communist and teach communist values or a member of the black brothers and so no you can teach in our schools. Yet, if you're a member of the BNP they tried to ban members from teaching in our schools and effectively do if the teacher were to make his views open.

The BNP member is banned from from the armed forces, banned from becoming a church official, banned from being a policeman and now Banned from changing his/her view to belong to UKIP.

Then The leader of the BNP is banned from the queens garden party but of course later she shakes the hand of an Irish terrorist that is responsible for the killings of thousands of our soldiers

Then, Nick Griffin is nearly sent to prison for refusing to stop mouthing off about Asian gangs sexualy grooming young white girls. I say nearly because it was all against him and the case only dropped because Nick was absolutely right.

Then BNP officials are being watched by our very own secret police with regular raids on their homes, and recently a crippled BNP councillor was visited early in the morning by up to nine police officers in riot gear to take him limping on his stick to a police car and then subject him to six hours interrogation for printing the words 'if you pay peanuts you get monkeys' The case was thrown out of court.

Ohhhhhhhhhh how democratic, harassment persecution and, discrimination is and most of you agree with that type of democracy, I think that says all doesn't it?

I mean the BNP's policy to stop Ethnic cleansing' (you know, moving out of one ethnic group to make way for another) is extreme isn't it? after all it would mean that the native Briton would have a chance of survival and that would not do wouldn't it?

Do all of you really know what is going on in this country?

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