Mystery of Flight MH370 -- Why isn't Black Box Data also uploaded in real-time via satellite, via internet, to data cent

[DIYguy]

1) . Is the satellite coverage good enough?

2) . Roughly how much might this add to the cost of a plane ticket [just looking for a ball park estimate here]?

3) . If implemented, should the data be encrypted, and how much more would that cost?

Full version of Title Question:

Why isn't Black Box data -- at least key components such as the GPS coords, altitude, airspeed, heading, cabin-pressure, auto-pilot settings, emergency-systems status-codes -- also uploaded in real time to the internet via satellite?

The idea would be -- not to replace the Black Box Recorder -- but to supplement the Black Box Recorder.

The FAA could assign the task of Internet Black-Box Data-Management to either the manufacturer of the plane, the servicer of the plane, the owner of the plane, or the airlines operating the plane.

thanks for your answers
To reduce the cost:

The continuous real-time uploading (of the key components of Black Box Data as outlined above) to begins ONLY when intentionally triggered by the pilot, copilot, or flight-attendant-in-charge, OR triggered remotely from the ground. . Once turned on, cannot be turned off by anyone until end-of-flight.

The key here is that the uploading system must be independently powered and incapable of being messed with by anyone on the plane, just like the current Black Box set-up.

[154]

I found out recently the power supply for a planes blackbox is time sensitive, batteries can run down, be damaged & make the device impossible to recover.

[xpatinasia]

It can't be done as you suggested.

[?]

It CAN be done as you suggested. Anything is possible, not when xpatinasia says it can't be. You have a good point as to why that telemetry is not uploaded via satellite instantly in this day and age. I'm guessing since it's only a commercial airliner the cargo (regular civilian passengers) are not that valuable. Air Force 1 and every CEO's G5's probably have what you mentioned uplinked continuously.

[Tedward]

Cost. If it is not legally required then all that has to be dealt with and stored then deleted in a correct way. The uplink will cost, the equipment will cost and in this day and age, all businesses are looking to cut costs.

Imagine all the required storage and frequencies required to do this, I doubt there enough resources for such. All the flights in a single day from one major carrier will amount to a big expense and guess w=ho would pick up the bill?

[QuiteNewHere]

It shows many vulnerabilities of the airline industry,

[Neil]

No, satellite coverage isn't good enough, TV-Channels like National Geographic, or Discovery can suggest that everything is possible these days, but don't forget they tend to edit-out the things that go wrong.


Reality is, especially at, or over Sea, there's huge blind-spots in radar, and satellite coverage, simply because circumstances are too rough, outer-space is more safe, than the Sea.

The only plane that might have a direct-link at all times(because it would have a designated satellite at all times) is AF1, AF1 also won't fly in, over, or to certain areas, because even they'd go dark.

Executive Air-planes don't have that type of connection.

[Valentino]

bad technology

[Piper]

1. Satellite technology is good enough. The ACARS system already transmits a lot of the data that you're talking about, but not continuously. It will transfer data during takeoff and climb, then once every 30-40 minutes, at the end of the flight (on the ground not by satellite), or if there is a malfunction. It is not cost effective to broadcast more than that. It is also used as an alternate form of communication between the crew and the airline. It includes position information. There are different subscriptions that an airline can get, depending on what and how much data they want during the course of a flight. This system was disconnected for unknown reasons in MH370. (either it malfunctioned or was shut down due to malfunction or some other reason). The only signal they had was a signal hourly "ping" between the satellite and the aircraft confirming that there was still a connection between them.
2. I don't know how much it would add to the cost of a ticket, but it would increase it significantly if all the data you're talking about were continuously streamed.

CVR information is not streamed or saved (except the last :30-2:00). Part of the issue with this is similar to the problem with cameras in the cockpit. Being continuously recorded from the CVR in case of an accident is one thing, but having it immediately available to your employer or others is another. Being monitored by your employer in that way would effect job performance and decision making. There have been accidents where crew members were concerned about an issue, but didn't feel comfortable bringing it up to the captain. Crew Training in human factors helped to address this problem, but now you'd be adding in your employer. You could also be stepping towards the possibility of people using the information in lessor incidents, or in an uneventful flight. With so many people possibly listening in and judging your performance it would be intimidating.

There was an accident many years ago where an aircraft was waiting for take off while several thunderstorms were in the area. Several other airlines went ahead, despite the storms. The first officer was not comfortable but didn't know how to express this concern to the captain. In those days, you just didn't question the captain. There is heavy military influence in the history of aviation, so it was like a private working with a general. Questioning the Captain's judgment or actions was a big "no no." The first officer would point out the lightening in several storms numerous times, but didn't make any direct statements. After this accident and others. Crew training and communication changed to help combat this problem, although it's not completely eliminated. If you live stream data for other people to listen to, you'd be complicating the matter even more.

I would expect that the length of the CVR may change. It's only required to be for 30 minutes, though most are longer. The technology to extend it is available and affordable.

[Mohamed Al Hassaan]

Here's the real story;

Have you heard of this conspiracy theory re the disappearance of MH 370? The story goes like this:

> The Ameri can is withdrawing from the Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

> What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russian or the Chinese. The Russian is too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

> Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the American has engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

> The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the American will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

> There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

> When MH370 is about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

> How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeing could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

> The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

> The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

> The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead person will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.

> The American has put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The Australian is the co-actor.

> The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high.

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