How can one constantly worship the US constitution when the electoral college makes it so fundamentally flawed?

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[Jc Espinoza]

the electoral college is one of the biggest mistakes ever. just look at the election with bush and gore gore won by 500k votes but lost cuz that gay ass electoral college. Along with income tax and federal reserve we have many flaws. the Constitution is not for any of those things i just mentioned. Besides the fact that the constitution is humanity's best idea. it has its flaws yes but its the best we got. to bad it gets shitted on everyday

[Jimmy]

why are you Leftists so wedded to the non sequitur? the Constitution and the Electoral College are not related! you're basically asking how Americans can like cars so much when oil has to come from the ground!

[JoeBotts]

Why does anyone subjugate their mind to any piece of paper, or person?
Because people are weak, and easily led. The very reason the founding fathers kept us as a representative government...to protect us from Tea Party -esque mobs of easily led sheep.

[picador]

I see where you are coming from. How can we respect 240 year old ideas when they are coupled with 240 year old means of communication? In my view, the two are readily separable, but I can also see that in others views, the baby should be thrown out with the bath water.

[Fanaticaltub656]

Constant recession reigns.

Constant recession can be brought to an end in one of two ways: Either change our economic system or have a world war.

Big business want a world war: It is not their children that are being blown to pieces or left screaming in agony with horrific injuries while awaiting the onset of death. No, it is we workers that die so horrifically!

Laws and constitutions are mostly good things. However, big business today fund political parties - one of the outcomes of all that much media-praised deregulation - so the demands of big-business are first in the political mind.

When the needs of big-business are contrary to the laws or the constitution, then those laws and the constitution are quietly ignored. The media are big business, so they don't report such transgressions by their own team! Bush was put into power and ruined the global image of the USA. However, he did start several wars so his big-business masters will only ever report good about him. (It is a genuine mystery how any good can be said about that munchkin war-monger!)

Today it is humanity against big business: And big business are winning! (Because they control EVERYTHING that we learn from the media!)

[Silas G]

"Worship"? My eyes won't roll far enough into the back of my head.

But I can answer the rest of your question replacing "worship" with "support". The election process has changed several times within the constitution. It is indeed a flawed document, which is why the people who wrote it added an amendment process. Within the lifetimes of people still alive today, for instance, the voting age was lowered to 18, and before that, people were guaranteed a vote regardless of gender or ancestry. Other good changes have happened, like the 2 term limit for president and a change in the way we replace the President and Vice President.

It isn't fundamentally flawed, though; it has produced a stable form of government which can be built on. "Fundamentally" would suggest that no matter what we did, we would never have a government that could function at all, which is clearly not the case. Presidents still advertise and debate and make promises and encourage you to vote for them; all that would be completely unnecessary if things were fundamentally flawed as you suggested.

The electoral college is an idea that can easily be made workable just by finding non-partisan means of setting up voting districts. Colorado is one example of a state whose electoral college works the right way. It, like any other idea, has been abused in the past. But fighting those abuses is a much better answer than starting from scratch with another idea. We at least know what's wrong with the electoral college and how to fix it; that wouldn't be true if we came up with a harebrained scheme on the spot to replace it because we threw the baby out with the bathwater.

If you'll forgive me for saying so... well you won't but I'm saying it anyway. This is an obvious play. You and I both know that people concerned with civil rights and liberties abuses talk a lot about the electoral college- gerrymandering, packing, sweetheart deals, you name it. And we both know that the same people like to use the Constitution, a document which limits the power of the federal government and outlines its responsibilities, for what it was designed for. You think, hey, if I can set these two ideas against each other, profit, right?

The problem is that you are an absolutist, and a bit power hungry, and that's obviously how you view other people too. People don't "worship" the Constitution. They just know what it is and what it's for. It's a shield. Yes it has dents and holes. But if you have any sense, you just repair those when you get a chance; you don't throw it away in the middle of battle.

[mvymvy]

Presidential elections don't have to be this way.

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

The National Popular Vote bill would change existing state winner-take-all laws that award all of a state’s electoral votes to the candidate who get the most popular votes in each separate state (not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution, but since enacted by 48 states), to a system guaranteeing the majority of Electoral College votes for, and the Presidency to, the candidate getting the most popular votes in the entire United States.

The National Popular Vote bill preserves the constitutionally mandated Electoral College and state control of elections. It ensures that every vote is equal, every voter will matter, in every state, in every presidential election, and the candidate with the most votes wins, as in virtually every other election in the country.

Every vote would be included in the state counts and national count. The candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC would get the 270+ Electoral College votes from the enacting states. That majority of Electoral College votes guarantees the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC wins the presidency.

Every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections. No more distorting and divisive red and blue state maps. There would no longer be a handful of 'battleground' states where voters and policies are more important than those of the voters in more than 3/4ths of the states that now are just 'spectators' and ignored after the primaries.

The bill uses the power given to each state by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution to change how they award their electoral votes for President. Historically, virtually all of the major changes in the method of electing the President, including ending the requirement that only men who owned substantial property could vote and 48 current state-by-state winner-take-all laws, have come about by state legislative action.

In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided). Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls in closely divided Battleground states: CO – 68%, FL – 78%, IA 75%, MI – 73%, MO – 70%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM– 76%, NC – 74%, OH – 70%, PA – 78%, VA – 74%, and WI – 71%; in Small states (3 to 5 electoral votes): AK – 70%, DC – 76%, DE – 75%, ID – 77%, ME – 77%, MT – 72%, NE 74%, NH – 69%, NV – 72%, NM – 76%, OK – 81%, RI – 74%, SD – 71%, UT – 70%, VT – 75%, WV – 81%, and WY – 69%; in Southern and Border states: AR – 80%,, KY- 80%, MS – 77%, MO – 70%, NC – 74%, OK – 81%, SC – 71%, TN – 83%, VA – 74%, and WV – 81%; and in other states polled: AZ – 67%, CA – 70%, CT – 74%, MA – 73%, MN – 75%, NY – 79%, OR – 76%, and WA – 77%. Americans believe that the candidate who receives the most votes should win.

The bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers in 21 states. The bill has been enacted by 9 jurisdictions possessing 132 electoral votes - 49% of the 270 necessary to go into effect.

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