Why are there still debates of Communism and Capitalism?

[John Fetchbark]

People still fight over the two systems, when one, time and time again, has been proven to be more efficient in terms of Technology, Benefit of people, environment, Militarily, Democracy, Freedom, Happiness, Constant flow of food, etc. And that is Capitalism. But why do people refuse to believe this, and say the Communism is better even though every time it has been tried/used, it has failed, because communism cannot succeed, it gives the government to much power which they abuse. And total equality creates a major government oppression of everyone.

Two perfect examples are West Germany and East Germany. People in West were wealthy, employed, happy, had the best technology Europe had to offer, free, constant supply of food and technology. While in East Germany, the Communist barrier caused constant major food and water shortages, technology was lacking 2 decades behind, military oppression was at its highest ever in Germany (Nazi Germany - Second Highest ever in German History ~ Index of Military Occupation), were not free, unable to vote on most - all issues.

Government owned capital/resources stalled the East German economy and developement, while the free market system and privately owned capital/resources of West Germany made the economy develop at rapid rates.

There is so much more, but why, why do people refuse to see this as the answer and just say "Well...um...communism wasn't used the right way there". YES, YES IT WAS, BUT THEY SAY THAT BECAUSE COMMUNISM ALWAYS FAILS BECAUSE COMMUNISM IS A FAILED IDEOLOGY.

China - Communism struck their people and economy went to crap, everyone was poor, and in the 1980's and 90's when they adopted forms of Capitalism, their economy went SHOOTING UP becoming the World's second largest economy because of the lack of regulation in aspects of the free market.

North Korea V. South Korea is another great example

NORTH KOREA - Poor, Population is starving, need constant supply from Russia and China to even balance themselves, most of the country does not have electricity INCLUDING half of the Capital

SOUTH KOREA - Prosperous, Free, and Has electricity (ha ha NK)

When Chile dropped most of their regulation on the free market, their economy started to grow (happened not to long ago) and the GDP expanded 100 billion dollars in the last year. (Source: OECD - Index of Economic Freedom and Developement)

SO MANY MORE EXAMPLES!

SO WHY, why, is there still a debate? Thats what I have come to ask.

[lennie]

You're right, capitalism works better than communism.

We still debate communism and capitalism because communists believe that communism was not properly implemented in those countries - and they are absolutely right. The problem is that communism can NEVER be properly implemented; human beings are self-interested, and a ruling elite will always take the place of the bourgeois. Indeed, even Lenin suggested that the elite knew what is good for the masses, an affirmation that goes against the spirit of Marx.

With regards to Marx, his theory is utterly fascinating. Regrettably, Marx did not predict that rise of corporations, the welfare state, and unions - these three modern entities nullify many of his predictions, which were based on the classical economics of Adam Smith.

Hope this helps. Have a good one.

[Mr E]

all stems from fundamental beliefs. liberty is from God, bondage (debt slavery, abolition of private property rights, except for the elite) from satan.

[snps#21]

Because people love a good argument!

[Vash]

Both are just social/economy systems, neither has anything to do with freedom, democracy other than in the propaganda.

You can have a capitalist dictatorship...
South Korea was a dictatorship and had no voting system until 1986 or 1988.
Republic of China (Taiwan) was a dictatorship and had no voting system until 1996.
South Vietnam was a dictatorship until the North overran them.
Yet, only the propaganda that used by the U.S. government tried to justify the reason to help these dictatorships(the truth is all about anti-communist, enemy's enemy is my friend) claim those governments were "democracy and free".

P.S. You have to look deeper on the issues.
For example,
South Korea got huge amount of aid (during 50s~70s) from the U.S. who is the richest country in the world. The U.S. also stationed lots of troops in South Korea. Thus the South Korea did not need to spend a lot on their own military, instead they put majority resources into economy development.
North Korea, on the other hand, had next to 0 economy assistance. All Chinese troops pulled out just a few years after the Korean War. Thus, North Korea put majority of their resources into military instead of economy because they were on their own and they believed the hostile U.S. could attack any time. On the top of that, the U.S. and all its allies placed sanction/embargo on them.