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Can free market capitalism ever coexist with societal freedom?
11-19-2012, 02:23 AM
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Can free market capitalism ever coexist with societal freedom?
I believe that societal freedom is indispensible to the free market, I honestly don't think capitalism can coexist with freedom. But can it?

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11-19-2012, 02:31 AM
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You are mixing up an economic system with social systems, or government.

Pure capitalism is a very rare thing. For most of human existence, there were other economic systems.
Food gatherers and farmers often lived in a "socialistic" community, where they shard their resources and labor.
Ever hear of farmers getting together to "raise a barn?" Everyone worked without pay to help their neighbors, each shared their labor and food with others in the community.
Is this freedom? And, it's also a basic form of socialism.

Maybe the best sort of freedom, if you ask me, is where you can depend on others for help, friends and neighbors. (and if not them, then government may become the "safety net")

Now, today, a pure capitalist is a boy who wants $10 from his neighbor to cut his grass with his lawnmower, the boy has the mower and labor, the neighbor is willing to buy it for $10 to get his grass cut.

Now, government comes in, maybe, and sets standards on how lawnmowers are built, and that the mower should use unleaded gas. Did this take away any freedom?
The regulations were needed to protect the community, forcing lawnmower manufacturers to make better quality mowers and the gas should not produce bad toxins, when burned.

It's possible to have capitalism with little political freedom. Both Mussolini, and Hitler were capitalists, they relied on corporation owners, the capitalists for support. Very little political freedom, however, for common people.

Political freedom could theoretically exist even under communism, if all means of production were owned by the government, but the leadership of the Politburow, were democraticallyy elected, and there were no laws that took away freedom of speech, religion, and the right to petition the government.

So far, most "so-called" communist nations have been lead by dictators, notdemocraticallyy elected, and they did not allow a practical, applicable Bill of Rights, supported and protected by a strong independent court system, as the USA has.

The USA has remained a nation with lots of social and political freedom, mostly because our courts have stood up for minority rights, even those with the least political power, i.e, the poor.

So, for real freedom political power needs to be restricted, or limited, but also the power of corporate capitalists who love cheap labor and "cheap" products, to increase their profits.

Making profits do not always benefit everyone in the community equally. Nor do large business interests actually care about your or my freedoms.
We in fact lose many freedoms to act (workplace rules and orders), or think, when we work for a corporation, that will restrict our movement and thoughts, putting their business interests first.

Ever hear of people being fired, for what they said on Facebook. It happens.

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11-19-2012, 02:31 AM
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I think you can be free in a free market capitalist society. Free to thrive or free to die of exposure and starvation perhaps. Sometimes the individuals efforts will have little to do with either. To the extent you have pure free markets and pure capitalism, corporations would bid on the efforts of ordinary people according to the abundance of their skill sets. If you are uniquely skilled, the corporation may wish to compete with other employers for your time and attention. You could prosper. But if you are equipped with an average brain and average looks, and average strength and endurance, you would be subject to the ebb and flow of demand for general purpose skills unless you happen to specialize in something that happens to be in high demand over enough of your life for you to save for the times it is not in demand.

You've posted this before. Please give us a better idea of what you are getting at, and you may get better responses. Do you envision greater freedom from another system? If so, which ones, and why?
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