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Are we going to see the growth of socialist, left wing parties in the western world now?
11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #21
 
Of course not - Republican LIES and SMEARS.

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11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #22
 
true socialism does not work for everywhere, especially if you want people to progress. I would rather have a democracy, based on economic growth, and business, capitalism is not a dirty word, ask people who started their own businesses and now give work to others.
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11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #23
 
Socialism doesn't work ether it nearly bankrupt France ( you know them the annoying people just over the ENGLISH CHANNEL )...
What about Russia communism failed as well ??? the only thing that has stood the test of time is good old fashioned CAPITALISM..
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11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #24
 
Everywhere except the USA, they have existed for at least a century.

Everything you have said has been said before in Europe.

After WWII we put it into practice and made our countries fit places for the majority of the people to live in, for the first time in their history. Until the American-inspired and American-financed Lurch to the Right, Europe was probably the best part of the world to live in. Social Democratic Scandinavia still is.

One of the effects of this is that no-one here fears the cost of illness. Our NHS is as public as the police and fire brigade.

A huge 'Hear Hear' to your postscript. Neoliberal extreme capitalism is for 2% of the people. Socialism is for the other 98%.

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11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #25
 
The growth of left-wing party's has been going on for quite a while. Organisations RESPECT in the UK, the MDC in Zimbabwe are just a couple of examples.

The anti-capitalist and anti-war movements have pulled many people together who share progressive values and created an environment for debate and unity. It's ordinary working people who have an interest in socialism.

The rich get richer through war, poverty, and exploitation and workers are expected to pay when economic crisis hits. Public services get cut while the wealthy still have their snouts in the trough. Radical change is needed and it's only the left that can bring these changes about.
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11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #26
 
I do not think so!A lot of ordinary people have got rich on capitalism!
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11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #27
 
Yes. It will be a hard struggle but the victory of socialism ultimately is inevitable.
Socialism is the only civilized alternative to the free market anarchy that brings war death and misery for the vast majority of humanity.

6. Capitalism, and the imperialist system that develops upon its economic foundations, is the main cause of human poverty, exploitation, violence and suffering in the modern world. As a system of socio-economic organization, capitalism long ago exhausted its historically progressive role. The blood-drenched history of the twentieth century – with its two world wars, innumerable “local” conflicts, the nightmare of Nazism and other forms of military-police dictatorship, eruptions of genocide and communal pogroms – is an unanswerable indictment of the capitalist system. The number of victims claimed by capitalist-inspired violence runs into the hundreds of millions. And this figure does not include the consignment of the peoples of entire continents to unrelenting poverty, with all its attendant miseries.
7. The gigantic scale of the existing productive forces and the extraordinary advances in technology are more than sufficient not only to abolish poverty but also to guarantee every human being on the planet a high standard of living. Culture should be flowering amidst unprecedented material wealth. But, instead, conditions of life are deteriorating for the working class, and human culture, deprived of perspective and hope for the future, is in deep crisis. The source of the contradiction between what is and what should be is a global economic system based on private ownership of the means of production, and the irrational division of the world into rival nation-states.
8. All efforts to raise the living standards of the working class and address serious social problems run up against the barrier of private ownership of the means of production, the anarchy of the capitalist market, the economic imperatives of the profit system, and, last but not least, the insatiable greed and money-madness of the ruling class itself. The claim that the capitalist market is the infallible allocator of resources and the supremely wise arbiter of social needs stands utterly discredited amidst the endless series of speculative scandals and multi-billion dollar bankruptcies that have rocked the world economic system during the past decade. The boundary lines between “legitimate” financial transactions and criminal fraud have narrowed to the point of being almost invisible. The separation of the process of personal wealth accumulation from the production and creation of real value is an expression of the general putrefaction of the capitalist system.
9. The irreconcilable conflict between the profit system and the very survival of humanity finds, in a literal sense, its most noxious expression in the crisis of global warming and the natural environment. The cause of this crisis lies not, as is falsely claimed by the bourgeois media, with population growth. Nor is it the result of science and technology – whose development is critical to the advance of human civilization – but, rather, with their misuse by an irrational and obsolete economic order. The impossibility of finding a genuine solution to the increasingly critical problem of climate change and other environmental problems within the framework of the profit system is an “inconvenient truth” that bourgeois politicians – even those who profess concern for the environment – deny. All scientific evidence points to the fact that nothing short of the socialist reorganization of the world economy – in which the planetary environment would no longer be held hostage to either the profit motive or destructive nationalist interests – will achieve the reductions in greenhouse gases necessary to prevent disaster.
10. The solution to the spreading economic crisis and the deteriorating social position of the working class lies not in the reform of capitalism, for it is beyond reform. The crisis is of a systemic and historical character. As feudalism gave way to capitalism, capitalism must give way to socialism. The key industrial, financial, technological and natural resources must be taken out of the sphere of the capitalist market and private ownership, transferred to society and placed under the democratic supervision and control of the working class. The organization of economic life on the basis of the capitalist law of value must be replaced with its socialist reorganization on the basis of democratic economic planning, whose purpose is the fulfillment of social needs.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/sep200...-s25.shtml
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11-27-2012, 06:39 AM
Post: #28
 
I'd like to think so, but I doubt we will.

When you listen to debates about the current financial crisis it's all about "save the system" not "change the system"

They're talking about conditions being imposed on banks that get part nationalised, that they have to behave properly, that's great, but there's not any real change of ethos or structure being planned I don't think, no long term plans for a stronger regulatory system, none of the people who've caused the mess are being sacked or asked to put any of their fortunes back into the kitty. It's just a temporary adjustment to preserve the long term status quo.

However, I did receive an e-mail from a friend a week or so back that said that sales or Karl Marx' "Das Capital" have quadrupled in the last month in Germany. I think whilst the system may not change much in the short term because of this, people have been awakened as to the flaws of capitalism run riot.
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