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Which is the most despicable lie regarding the healthcare debate in Washington?
11-27-2012, 06:59 AM
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Which is the most despicable lie regarding the healthcare debate in Washington?
1. "If you like it you can keep it"
FACTCHECK!
To be fair, Pelosi's bill does not literally outlaw your current insurance company, nor does it outlaw your employer from continuing to offer the current options. But that's about where it ends. The current bills are so disruptive to the current healthcare cost structure that it is absolutely irresponsible for the President to be claiming "if you like it you can keep it" since in all likelihood the decision will not be yours to make. Moreover, everyone who has looked closely at the design of Pelosi's bill is lying if they don't admit it is designed to run the private insurers out of business leaving us bankrupt with a gov't-run single-payer system. By the way, the latest is that Obama & Pelosi are trying to use the word "co-operative" in place of "public option" though it is still just a single-payer trojan horse since the tax-payer is on the hook for the cost, especially once the private insurers shut down and bow to their rule-making counterpart.
Don't believe me? Check out these two links and you decide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfw16zfwSe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

2.Obama and Pelosi will make healthcare more affordable by reducing its cost.
FACTCHECK!
According to the Bipartisan CBO (which usually slightly underestimates costs) is telling everyone their bill increases the cost of healthcare from the status quo (i.e. doing nothing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iYL4BRzIh8
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31949211/ns/..._politics/

3. The protestors at town halls are un-American and do not represent a bonafide grass roots movement as they have been sent by the insurance companies.
FACTCHECK!
Not true, but you should judge for yourself:
http://www.northjersey.com/multimedia/vi...13557.html

(By the way, here is info on Obama's staged event in NH:
The cute little girl who asked Obama how do kids know what is true and why do people want a new health care system? Her name is Julia Hall and she's 11 years old. Her mother is an attorney, Kathleen Manning Hall. On Kathleen Hall's Facebook page there's a picture of her with Barack Obama. She has contributed thousands of dollars to Obama, and her law firm has contributed thousands more. Now you tell me what the chances are that she was randomly called on at the ObamaEvent. Isn't this what Nancy Pelosi call "Astro-Turf"?)

4. Tort Reform only represents 1% of total healthcare costs.
FACTCHECK!
This tort reform estimate grossly underestimates only a small subset of direct payouts to victims and does not even include the bulk of money involved in frivolous lawsuits that do not even make it to court. As of 2003 this amount was actually about $25 billion annually and has grown since. Moreover it does not include the insurance doctors must pay and the shortage of doctors that result due to liability of specific types of doctors. No one wants to remove penalties for doctors who screw up, but rewarding lawyers with million dollar awards cannot be helping to make healthcare more affordable. Moreover, while Democrats and their journalist supporters try to paint insurance providers and drug manufacturers as being "special interests" working to defeat reform, they constantly overlook the role that trial lawyers are playing to try and impose Pelosi's specific legislation which will open the flood gates as many more patients are unleashed on an understaffed healthcare system with no tort reform or award limits whatsoever and tax-payers funding an endless supply of money.
http://www.triallawyersinc.com/healthcare/hc05.html

5. There is no "Death Panel" in Obama's vision for healthcare.
FACTCHECK!
Perhaps Obama and Pelosi don't use this specific term, but read Barack Obama's ideas about where 80% of the cost of healthcare and decide for yourself what he wants a panel of "doctors, scientists, ethicists" to decide. And also keep in mind Ezekiel Emanuel's ideas about changing the doctor's oath and Obama's Science Czar John Holdren's book from the 1970s advocating sterilization of the water supply and forced abortions to limit population demand on resources.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazi...wanted=all

6. I can rely on FACTCHECK sites to sort out what is fact or fiction in the healthcare debate.
FACTCHECK!
No. Do your own research. Partisan interests on both sides, though mainly for Obama & Pelosi's benefit have manipulated these pieces to "lobby" for their cause. Here is one conservative site that explains how it works:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-she...t-checkers

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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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The biggest lie is that Obama won't have to raise taxes to pay for the program.

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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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all the above
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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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I like how he was holding a sign....saying "Stop spending"....and inflation tanked the stock market today.
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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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Do you actually think people are going to read all that crap and go to those web sites?
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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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You need help.
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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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wow very good thank you
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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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why do people lie when they say they are doing a "FACTCHECK"?

your number five is PARTICULARLY amusing... if you think no. 5 is a "fact"... you don't know what a fact is...
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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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Two of the most outrageous lies from Obama's mouth involved accusing doctors of cutting off limbs and cutting out tonsils unnecessarily.
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11-27-2012, 07:07 AM
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The biggest lie?


In short, that it's for the people.
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