What is government's role in a capitalist society?

[george_a_lutz]

I think capitalism, if left alone, would kill the weakest people - the elderly, the handicapped, the unskilled, the impoverished. No moral govt can allow that though so govt should temper capitalism (social security, minimum wage, etc) with some morality whle still allowing markets to breathe. Am i correct about this?

[aurora_ice_dancer]

i'm against the gov.

[ggarsk]

You are right. Unrestrained capitalism would lead us back to the days of Charles Dickens. Government needs to regulate to the benefit of We the People. After all WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT!

[ceprn]

The government's role is to protect those who can't protect themselves. If business had it's way, school children would be working in cola mines because they are small, and people wold be virtual slaves to corporations.

[AnswerMan]

George, I think that you nailed it. It is not wrong for people to get rich. However when they get greedy is where capatalism breaks down. The goverment should be the one to step in and temper this greediness and give a hand up to those that need it. I will get called all kinds of names for this post but it is the right thing to do.

[Panacea]

Yes, except in place of morality, put in the rule of law.

The amount of rule of law needed depends on how enlightened the people are. More enlightened people need fewer laws and just naturally adhere to guidelines that promote harmony and the general good. Less enlightened people need more laws. Scum, need to be ruled with an iron fist. Failure to do so will result in them destroying themselves.

Note that people like Answerman completely misunderstand the nature of wealth. The rich absolutely do not take from the poor, not even in the smallest ways. Instead, the rich get rich by creating wealth. They share this wealth with others less able and, more importantly, give those with some ability, the chance to pool thier talents collectively and benefit from this. The rule of law is not needed to protect the poor from the rich but rather to protect the system from the poor, who would loot the system and destroy it in short order (and then starve to death).

Good examples of this are always found in socialist and communist countries. The rule of law breaks down. Evil scumbags are allowed to loot the system and hurt the rich (who are actually no more than producers and guardians of a nation's wealth). Everything turns to s hit and the people starve. Look at russia. Look at cuba. Look at zimbabwe.

Capitalism is basically a situation where, in return for various perks, the smartest and best of us are allowed to produce wealth and bring others who are not so smart or able into a system so they can help, in exchange for a very high standard of living. The rule of law safeguards the system. The people they need to most guard it from are the poor, the criminal and the dysfunctional. At the same time, they take care of these people in ways that no other society ever bothers to

[Brendon G]

If you read Locke, you'd find that in a capitalist soceity, the government's only role would be to protect the basic rights of the people which, in this case, would be life, liberty, and property, all while protecting citizens from force or fraud. Moving on from that, your views of capitalism are a bit skewed.

In capitalist soceity, these elderly, handicapped, and others incapable of joining the workforce would be picked up by charitable, private organizations. Churches, charities, etc. would still exist, even with a minarchist government. Never underestimate the willingness of humankind to lend a hand.

[Nancy L]

Allowing markets to breath is one thing, but catering to the rich corporations (as the US Govt does), will be the end of our demise as a democracy. I have revisited the Constitution (and Amendment to) & Bill of Rights site, more & more recently. It is scarey to see how many rights we have lost throughout the years, starting with 1913 to present.

We have become a "super greedy" nation. Our Govt & it's constituents, have allowed it to happen, forsaking the American people. Please, visit this site--one of many I have come across when looking for the truth.---www.devvy.com---(devvy with 2 v's). Pass it on, if you like.

[Gigi]

I think you are wrong. Capitalism doesn't keep government out of the economy totally, it just requires minimal government involvement. See link below:

[Super Man]

I have a better way, a smarter way, a way that works for us for a change, a way to provide the less fortunate, and lead the world by example.

The USA Today reported that real deficit for 2005 was $3.5 TRILLION! This is just one more example in a long train of examples of how our government has gotten out of hand. Our forefathers told us what to do when the flim flam men politicians get out of hand. Maybe we should heed their advice, they were pretty smart guys, look at the great nation they started !

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

This is quoted from the American Declaration of Independence.

We need a new political party! We need a party that works for the regular Americans like customer service in a department store, for the little guys like you and me. Our government treats us worse than they treat third world refugees, look at the Tsunami and New Orleans after the hurricane.

We had people on the ground 18 hrs after the Tsunami, on the other side of the world! New Orleans, it took 36hrs for help to get started! FEMA held the Navy off, with the Navy being ready and on the backside of the storm. While FEMA's head man is asking " Do these clothes make me look fat?". Our political system is a disgrace, not one man, ALL of them.

We now work our brains out at low level jobs because the flim flam men politicians have rewritten the laws and sent our good jobs abroad. They gave away our tax money to foreigners that built their factories with our tax money. This has to stop, it doesn’t work for America, it robs us and our children of our future.

The National Income Party :

America could conquer the world. Not with warring, but with such overwhelming wealth that the whole world would lick our boots to get our help for themselves. I can make a provable, tangible, graphable outline for doing this.

First someone like me would have to the President. I say that because I'm the kind of man that can't be knuckled under, I don't take you can't do that and just quit, and no matter how hard the job is I never stop short. I’m a working class man, I came up doing body work, so I know how to fix the tangled mess others have made.

As President, this being THE most powerful position in the world, I would go completely around the flim flam men in the Senate and the House. I would use the Executive Order and write the checks to get what needs to be done to happen ASAP! The treasury is in the executive branch and Lincoln wrote checks to get things done, so I would do the same.

By Executive Order, I would start with fixing the governments money problems and getting the citizens tax problems solved. Then I would stop the foreign companies that cheat the US out their share of taxes, and make a loophole free way to collect every penny they owe.

Next would come the illegals, I'd get them all registered, employed, and put them on the tax roles not us. We need the illegals paying taxes because there's just not enough Gen Xer's to pay the SS for the Boomers and Gen Xer's.

I'd make millions of high wage jobs with renewable power plant construction, renewable power would be a priority. I'd build so much clean power we would have power in overabundance, and we could supply the whole world with clean US made power. 1/3 of the money from the foreign power bills would be put into a fund and every head of household would get a paycheck and NO tax bill!

To continue doing this would make a book so I'm going to outline what’s to be:

1st90 days by Executive Order
Establish Earth Rights for all of America like in Alaska
End income taxes; fund the Gov the right way, not on our backs
End tax paper work for the citizens, not business
End all welfare programs, save the money
Balance the budget, officials are not paid till it’s done
Regular people for elected officials, no lawyers or rich
End lobbyists, take the money out of politics
Make graft illegal, have mandatory jail time
Close the DOE, save the money
Take the Gov out of the schools, PTA run save money
Set Iraq’s oil to pay for the war, make an exit plan with the military
Prisoners work for jail costs, not us, save the money
Make foreign tax cheats pay, tariff goods @retail every container
Register the illegals, put them to work and on the tax roles not us
Private SS accounts, makes us millionaires, no government access to money
After90 days by Executive Order
Build renewable power, make millions of high wage jobs
Build a fund from foreign power bills like Alaska uses to PAY us
End Nuclear power
Build electric powered roads, make more millions of high wage jobs
Thousands of jobs building electric cars &trucks
End our dependence on foreign oil
Clean the polluted water with clean electric power
Return America to 50% of world’s economy


The Alaska state constitution claims common heritage rights of ownership of oil and other minerals for the people of the state as a whole. Citizen dividend checks are distributed every year in Alaska out of the interest payments to an oil royalties deposit account called the Alaska Permanent Fund (APF) created in 1976 after oil was discovered on the North Slope. The APF is a public trust fund - a diversified stock, bond and real estate portfolio - into which are deposited the oil royalties received from the corporations which extract the oil from the lands of Alaska. The first citizen dividend check from the interest of the APF was issued in 1982 and was for $1000 per every person for everyone in Alaska who had resided in the state for at least one year. Annual citizen dividends have been issued every year since then, for a total of more than $23,000 per person.

In 2003, each of the nearly 600,000 Alaska US citizens (residents of Alaska for at least one year) received a check for $1,107 from the APF. The total amount dispersed was $663.2 million. The $25 billion investment fund's core experienced stock market losses which led to the dividend's decline this past year compared to the several previous years. The amount was $433 less, a 28 percent drop from the 2002 pay out of $1,540, and a 44 percent decrease from the all-time high of $1,964 in year 2000. The amount changes based on a five-year average of APF investment income derived from the bonds, stock dividends, real estate and other investments.

Alaska relies on oil for about 80 percent of its revenue and has no sales or income tax. Alaska state government is mandated to invest 25% of its oil revenue into the APF while the other 75% of oil royalty revenue is dispersed to other government funds to finance education, infrastructure and social services. If 100% of Alaska's oil royalties had been deposited into the APF, it is conceivable that the CD this year could have been about $4,400 or $17,600 for a family of four. But then there would have been no funds for roads, education and other public services and no funds available to run the state legislature - a libertarian dream fulfillment or a social and economic disaster, which one we will never know. If state services were to have been maintained while 100% of oil royalties were deposited in the APF, there would of course have been the need for income, sales and other taxes on wages and production.

Alaska uses Earth Rights to pay about $1000 p/yr and not tax their residents. With all 50 states my fed government could pay $50,000 p/yr, NO TAXES, and fund the government!

The foreign tariff money, the illegals taxes, and earth rights money pays all the government expenses, funds the military better than now, and pays down the national debt with NO deficit.

The Renewable power fund would pay what I call a National Income Program, and when the fund matures in about 30 years, would pay about another $50,000 p/yr.

So $50,000 p/yr from the Earth Rights and NO taxes. Millions of high wage power plant construction jobs, we would need to build 5000 power plants just to start, and build for many years to come.

Then make millions more high wage jobs to build new electric powered roads to use the clean power. Make thousands of jobs to build electric cars and trucks that use the clean cheap power from the new electric powered roads.

Foreign oil dependence would end! The Arabs could drink their oil, we don’t need it any more. The oil money that funds the terrorists would dry up, and terrorism would strangle, then die. Domestic oil production would supply all our needs.

Then comes the $50,000 p/yr from the National Income Program, with the Earth Rights money my government could then pay every household $100,000p/yr, all with no taxes.

Then the private SS accounts would have about a $1,000,000 in them for your retirement. The rich make fortunes by building money in funds just this same way, so what works for the rich, will work for the nation.

This builds America to be 300,000,000 millionaires. The money would be passed to your Aires and NO TAXES. Each new generation would be richer than their forebears. Soon newborns would be born millionaires, and the system would continue to multiply their wealth for each next generation.

America would be so wealthy that soon we would be the envy of the world, and people from around the world would lick our boots for us to help them get where we would be. America rules the world with wealth, not war.

With stable third world power comes jobs, with jobs comes prosperity. Prosperity makes life comfortable, with comfort comes contentment. Contentment would bring peace, and war would be a thing of the past. If someone for some strange reason wanted start a war we could just stop beaming them power.

I take it you know electric power can be beamed on a microwave inside a laser beam to a satellite and put anywhere it's needed on the earth! So cut the beam and no power. It's hard to ,fight a war with no lights or power. America controls the power!

The renewable power is fuel-less so it's cheap clean power! It’s without the inflation of fuel costs, so the price would remain stable.

I grew up loving to watch Super Man as a kid, he made a lasting impression on me. I’ve lived my life by his motto “ Truth, Justice, and the American Way!”, it still rings in my ears today as it did when I was a child. I want to bring this to America’s government, and drive out the flim flam men! I want America to BE the shining example all the world wishes to emulate.

The Flim Flam Men:

They make speeches about they must have taxes, and every politician knows what is being done in Alaska. Alaska PAYS all their residents with earth rights and doesn’t tax their residents. This makes all the politicians liars!

They make speeches to get elected and make promises about what they will do for us. They say nothing about getting every dime of lobby money to do what big biz wants that’s opposite what they promised you. That makes them all cheats!

They stole your grandmother’s retirement money from SS. Now you face getting nothing for your SS payments. That makes them all thieves!

They tax us, but they know the foreign companies pay no taxes on the goods they sell here. The goods are sold then bought on paper in a foreign port to skate the tax laws. Thus eliminating their profit on paper to cheat the US out of the taxes they owe. This makes them all backstabbers!

They take lobby money to put earmarks and pork in every law that passes their desk. Then they do photo ops, and news clips to promote themselves as doing something good for us and America. So they all corkscrew us!

They make back room deals and give our tax money to foreigners who build factories with our money. Then they write laws that send our jobs overseas. This makes them all dirty dealers!

So lets total all this up. They lie, cheat, steal, backstab, corkscrew, and dirty deal. HELL their Flim Flam Men! Just like in the George C. Scott movie “ The Flim Flam Man”! They are called the “ Honorable” Senator or Representative. Hell Flim Flam Men have NO honor what so ever! They’re crooks, criminals for God’s sake!

The BBC has film of ALL of them going in and out of Abramoff’s restaurant. That was THE place in DC to get loaded with lobby money. The BBC has been running this story, and trying to get the US media to run it too. The US media refuses to run the story.

We are all slaves, we own nothing! Even if you paid off the bank, try not paying the extortion tax, and the government takes your house. Try not paying the income extortion tax, and you go to jail. You can’t even run away like the slaves of old. The government will hunt you down, and you got to jail.

What’s the difference? You pay with your work, or you work to pay. We are slaves, the smoke and mirrors propaganda hides the truth from us. Da masser geds his’uns pound a flesh. Sucks! Doesn’t it?

It’s time to take America back! Get registered! VOTE! Vote for anyone that’s not a Democrat or a Republican. They have ALL the power and ALL the control. They must bear ALL the responsibility for their gross mismanagement and abysmally poor judgment! It’s time to put THEM in the unemployment line!


If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner.
Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)

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Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)


Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.
George Orwell

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Thomas Jefferson

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George William Curtis

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Adlai Stevenson

Freedom has its life in the hearts, the actions, the spirit of men and so it must be daily earned and refreshed - else like a flower cut from its life-giving roots, it will wither and die.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

The universe grows smaller every day. The treat to security by any group, anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all, or none are secure! This requires giving up no freedoms, except the freedom to act irresponsibly!
Klaatu

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Robert Green Ingersoll

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves.
Abraham Lincoln

A man's feet must be planted in his country, but his eyes should survey the world.
George Santayana


Some men see things as they are and say, "Why?" I dream of things that never were and say, "Why not?"
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A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
Edward Abbey

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Edmund Burke 1729-1797

This country will not be a good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a good place for all of us to live in.
Theodore Roosevelt


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If our forefathers were alive today they would lay siege to DC. They would tar and feather all the politicians and then hang them right on the steps of the capitol buildings. They would leave them there for all to see what happens to those flim flam man politicians that corkscrew Americans.

It’s time to put all of America to work for all Americans. When America leads the way to such overwhelming wealth the world will follow. Prosperity here will breed more prosperity world wide as stable clean cheap power becomes available to all the world. This brings jobs and stability to the third world. The jobs and stability will bring peace, and then we have a fighting chance for “ Peace on Earth”!

Join me in the one real true fight for all mankind, a stable world with “ Peace on Earth”!

I’ve made a very strong case for being able to do what I’ve said needs to be done. I think our founding fathers would be proud of these things being done for America. I believe I’m the man who can do just that, because I believe in doing them 100%, without any doubt!

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