What if the republicans had privitized social security like they wanted?

[AleJunkie]

Calculate your Social Security LOSSES had the repubs prevailed and privatized them. Their next attempt will be to merely bankrupt the system which funds SS.

[PETEY YEAH!!!]

There would have been a lot of unhappy retiring Baby Boomers. Pity it didn't happen, because this election even wouldn't this close if that had happened. It's good though, because retirees dodged a bullet with that one.

[Don C]

What do you do when you want to screw only the working people of your nation with the largest tax increase in history and hand those trillions of dollars to your wealthy campaign contributors, yet not have anybody realize you've done it? If you're Ronald Reagan, you call in Alan Greenspan. Through the "golden years of the American middle class" - the 1940s through 1982 - the top income tax rate for the hyper-rich had been between 90 and 70 percent. Ronald Reagan wanted to cut that rate dramatically, to help out his political patrons. He did this with a massive tax cut in the summer of 1981. The only problem was that when Reagan took his meat axe to our tax code, he produced mind-boggling budget deficits. Voodoo economics didn't work out as planned, and even after borrowing so much money that this year we'll pay over $100 billion just in interest on the money Reagan borrowed to make the economy look good in the 1980s, Reagan couldn't come up with the revenues he needed to run the government. Coincidentally, the actuaries at the Social Security Administration were beginning to get worried about the Baby Boomer generation, who would begin retiring in big numbers in fifty years or so. They were a "rabbit going through the python" bulge that would require a few trillion more dollars than Social Security could easily collect during the same 20 year or so period of their retirement. We needed, the actuaries said, to tax more heavily those very persons who would eventually retire, so instead of using current workers' money to pay for the Boomer's Social Security payments in 2020, the Boomers themselves would have pre-paid for their own retirement. Reagan got Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Alan Greenspan together to form a commission on Social Security reform, along with a few other politicians and economists, and they recommend a near-doubling of the Social Security tax on the then-working Boomers. That tax created - for the first time in history - a giant savings account that Social Security could use to pay for the Boomers' retirement. This was a huge change. Prior to this, Social Security had always paid for today's retirees with income from today's workers (it still is today). The Boomers were the first generation that would pay Social Security taxes both to fund current retirees and save up enough money to pay for their own retirement. And, after the Boomers were all retired and the savings account - called the "Social Security Trust Fund" - was all spent, the rabbit would have finished its journey through the python and Social Security could go back to a "pay as you go" taxing system. Thus, within the period of a few short years, Reagan dramatically dropped the income tax on America's most wealthy by more than half, and roughly doubled the Social Security tax on people earning $30,000 or less. It was, simultaneously, the largest income tax cut in America's history (almost entirely for the very wealthy), and the most massive tax increase in the history of the nation (which entirely hit working-class people). But Reagan still had a problem. His tax cuts for the wealthy - even when moderated by subsequent tax increases - weren't generating enough money to invest properly in America's infrastructure, schools, police and fire departments, and military. The country was facing bankruptcy. No problem, suggested Greenspan. Just borrow the Boomer's savings account - the money in the Social Security Trust Fund - and, because you're borrowing "government money" to fund "government expenditures," you don't have to list it as part of the deficit. Much of the deficit will magically seem to disappear, and nobody will know what you did for another 50 years when the Boomers begin to retire 2015. Reagan jumped at the opportunity. As did George H. W. Bush. As did Bill Clinton (although Al Gore argued strongly that Social Security funds should not be raided, but, instead, put in a "lock box"). And so did George W. Bush. The result is that all that money - trillions of dollars - that has been taxed out of working Boomers (the ceiling has risen from the tax being on your first $30,000 of income to the first $90,000 today) has been borrowed and spent. What are left behind are a special form of IOUs - an unique form of Treasury debt instruments similar (but not identical) to those the government issues to borrow money from China today to fund George W. Bush's most recent tax cuts for billionaires (George Junior is still also "borrowing" from the Social Security Trust Fund). Former Bush Junior Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill recounts how Dick Cheney famously said, "Reagan proved deficits don't matter." Cheney was either ignorant or being disingenuous - it would be more accurate to say, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter if you rip off the Social Security Trust Fund to pay for them, and don't report that borrowing from the Boomers as part of the deficit."

[dpj5]

Wow. Sorry to break the news to you but Social Security was already bankrupted.

[ryry69]

we would all me Rich and have lots of money because i can make money in a down stock markets because i would put in the bond market
2. do you have a 401k
3. SS is my money let me control my money

[Justin]

The Republicans who wanted to do that would not have been hurting....they don't care about social security....they are multi millionaires who will never need it.


OBAMA 08

[Summer]

After 8 years of George Bush, voting for John McCain is like changing seats on the Titanic...

[wolfs_bone]

Personally I'm not going to rely on Social Security and you would be a fool to do so, My 401K has lost money this year but it STILL has outperformed SS in the long run. But someone else is correct SS is bankrupt and a fraud, there is no lock box, it is just lumped in with the general fund and gets spent EVERY YEAR. It Needs TO be Abandoned, drop it like its hot.

[Steven P]

The fact the so many people insist on a REDISTRIBUTION of wealth is the thing that bothers me the most.

If I paid into SS and was given MY money back, I'd have no problem.

but when I pay in to SS and the GOVT GIVES MY MONEY away to others, after they have mismanaged it... It peeves me...

Govt is not the answer. They are not the all knowing. Don't force what YOU THINK is right on ME.

I can decide for myself.