Gun worshipers, what is the likelihood that you will one day pick up arms and stop Obama's tyranny?

[vrzz]

You know, the day when he comes for your guns and bibles with the ever expanding military you support so much.
Tramp, I never suggested that.

This question is intended for the "I need my guns to protect myself from a tyrannical government" crowd.
@ Pragmatism, I fully understand your EDIT add on, and again, I'm not suggesting/claiming that Obama will come for anyone.

I want to understand the mentality of those that do, the people who want guns because they have this delusion that it will one day protect them against a tyrannical government.
@ Tramp, believing AR15s (regardless of what the FF believed) will save you and protect you against the most advanced military in the history of human civilization is having common sense? That's empty logic, and false hopes.

At the time of the FF, citizens and the military were both armed with the same type of weapons. I wonder how much damage an AR15 will bring upon an Abram tank.

And if that's your or their logic, then why stop at assault rifles. Since the potentially tyrannical government owns nuclear weapons, then why shouldn't citizens. You know, because they need to be able to protect themselves.

[The Tramp]

vrzz, step away from the crack pipe.

Only a fool would think our country is in such rotten shape from one political party and one administration.

Edit: I understand what YOU are saying. But you don't seem to understand what I am saying.

The people who "need my guns to protect them-self from a tyrannical government" are the people who have the most common sense in this country. Our founding fathers foresaw the dangers of a populace that could be controlled by a tyranny and so we have the 2nd Amendment.

Please do us all a favor and be more objective and read this for your own good.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/const...endment02/

I don't worship guns or bibles but do have a belief in a higher power. I also believe that freedom is worth the cost of fighting and dieing for it.

Edit 2: @ your comment to Pragmatism, when you start believing that our government has the power to become a tyranny and you don't have the ability to stop them is when you need to really become concerned about being a free citizen.

Thomas Jefferson said, "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

Edit 3: I can't for one moment accept any of your pitiful excuse for rational dialogue. The military is comprised of working class people. The police force is comprised of working class people. The jails are run by working class people.

Personally, I believe your thoughts that an army comprised of husbands, wives, and children are going to move on and against their own family, is more insane than the notion that a tyranny can overcome the will of the American people.

You really aren't getting it are you?

@ Pragmatism, you see through Republican eyes. I used to see through Democrat eyes. Now I just consider myself an American living in a country run by politicians who bail out banks and corporations with our tax dollars and then shove us off a fiscal cliff to rob us of the rest of our money. Our government is the first to go after the poor and defenseless citizens while living in the lap of luxury. Our government used extension of Emergency Unemployment Compensation right after the recession of 2008 as a bargaining chip to get the Bush tax cuts for millionaires extended. People were losing their homes and running out of food and yet our government played politics with their lives!

And you don't see anything wrong with this picture?

Edit 4 @ Pragmatism: It's not that I am putting words in your mouth, I'm just trying to get you to take the blinders off of your eyes.

I just described a tyranny to you and I keep hearing you say, "I don't see it, I don't see it, I don't see it."

tyranny, n.-Syn. oppression, cruelty, severity...etc.

When our government let's its people suffer while playing games with their lives to score political points for their lobbyist friends and Wall St, what part of that don't you understand as being a tyranny?

From where I'm sitting it couldn't be any clearer. Maybe where you are sitting things look much differently?

How far out on the frozen lake do you want to walk until you discover that it's too late to turn back? There is a tipping point where you will never come back from and we just might be standing on that point.

You can't continue to kick the can down the road if there's a brick wall at the end of the road can you?

[Thomas]

I don't think 'gun worshipers' will get the chance to stop 'Obama's tyranny' -_-

[Pragmatism Please]

Zero
Can't stop what doesn't exist.


EDIT
You know, protecting oneself from a tyrannical government with guns isn't quite the same thing in 2013 as it was in 1789. Back then, everyone, government and citizen, was making bullets one-by-one right inside their Flintlock.


EDIT2
The Tramp:
It's not that we can't stop a tyrannical government. I just don't think guns would play much of a role. I know the opinion journalists on TV and the shock jocks on radio think we're in the middle of a tyranny right now but I don't see it. I see a Democrat in the White House and I see through Republican eyes. If President Obama tries to stay in office past January 2017, I'll be looking to act in our country's defense.

EDIT3
The Tramp:
You're putting words in my mouth, again. Please stop jumping to conclusions and read the written word. I don't generally nest secret meanings in what I write. I said I don't see our current government as tyrannical. That doesn't mean I'm happy with things that have been done. I've been alive since Eisenhower and I'm still waiting for an administration that does exactly what I want. And yes, I see the world through Republican eyes but not tea party Republican. More like Ike and Nixon along with some of Reagan. Bush 43 was a joke and the tea party is nothing more than idiology-crazed corporate lap dogs--easily managed by their masters. I could change my voter registration but it wouldn't change the way I view the world.

EDIT4
The Tramp:
Tyranny:
American Heritage - 1. A government in which a single ruler is vested with absolute power.
2. The office, authority, or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler.
3. Absolute power, especially when exercised unjustly or cruelly.
Oxford English Advanced - a person who has complete power in a country and uses it in a cruel and unfair way
Merriam Webster - a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler
Collins - government by a tyrant or tyrants; despotism
Cambridge Dictionary - unlimited authority or use of power, or a government which exercises such power without any control or limits

When I hear or think about tyranny, I think of kings and dictators, or elected leaders who make themselves kings or dictators. Not Democrats who don't share my ideology. They are Democrats - large central government, big spending, lots of social programs.

Clinton signed Gramm-Leach-Bliley cancelling 70 years of Glass-Stegall, then the Securities Modernization Act.
He had to.
China was investing all their Walmart/Target money buying US Treasuries. We needed to move them into some other safe investment because the upward pressure they were putting on our Treasuries market was threatening to cause inflation. Hence, legislation allowing Mortgage Backed Securities and Colateralized Debt Obligations, or more specifically Colateralized Mortgage Obligations was passed. All to grease the wheels of Chinese investment in our residential real estate market. We want them to invest here, right? Practical, not tyrannical.
Bush bailed out the banks. He had to. We tried it the other way in '29 and people DID starve to death. Was there ever a time during this recession you couldn't buy milk at the corner market? We just went through a walk in the park by comparison, wholly because we bailed out the banks (and AIG, the king of Swaps.)
Bailing out banks kept the recession from becoming another global depression, not tyranny.

Lobbyists getting special treatment. Sure, I hate it too but when has it been any different?

Income tax rates rose to 94% in the mid 1940s and didn't drop below 70% until 1981. No one called that tyranny.

Unwarranted wire taps, USAPATRIOT Act, the NDAA add-on? Those definitely have the potential to be used by a tyrant in ways that would cause a revolt but at present, we don't have a tyrant.

People bought houses way above their means. There was way, way too much money available for mortgages, due to the rapid growth of China and their insistance on only investing in the US. We never bailed out people who overbought before but this time we did provide some lackluster help to some--too little and often too late. We should have bought those houses off the banks at face value and held them until the market recovered, letting people make payments they could afford until someone would buy the house. Our economy would have recovered much more quickly and we would have not added to the debt when the inventory was finally liquidated. We could have held them at near zero interest and watched the economy soar. Doing something else was a judgment call between the White House and Congress, not tyranny.

You share your view on "tyranny" with Fox News, AM radio shock jocks and the people who follow them. No where else, except maybe the tea party freak show, does anyone call our government tyrannical.

[Phil]

what is the likelihood you will ever take the time to actually find out what people stand for before you try and make lame jokes

[Iron_Plague]

"I want to understand the mentality of those that do, the people who want guns because they have this delusion that it will one day protect them against a tyrannical government."

No you don't. You only want to insult people who have differing political and social views than yours.

But that is okay.

[PoBoy]

Less than zero.

[Apocalypse Cow]

The nice thing about Obama being a socialist/Marxist/puppet of Wall St./muslim/Christian liberationist/Kenyan anti-colonialist/Indonesian is that he has set the bar so incredibly high. If we get thru the next 4 years without being taken over by UN black helicopters, sharia law nor having all guns confiscated, how can anyone be scared of any president again?

[WinonaGal]

The whole point of my recent gun ownership is self defense. I would never try to deal with the USA as that is a worthless fight to even attempt.
I don't think anyone is interested in coming to take away a small hand gun from a law abiding citizen, but I do think assault weapons are in danger and I have no opinion about those who own them, so far. I do think that the vast majority of citizens who own guns are not criminals and I hope that our government leaves things as they are and that changes would be to our mental health system instead of guns.
In the aftermath of Newtown CT's sorrow, I think many people have chosen, like myself, to at least have a way to fight back i the event of some lunatic showing up where we are shooting innocent folks. All I want is the ability to fight back. I want to protect YOU and ME from these crazed shooters.
Note that we also should be taking a serious look at video games.

[Arnie]

Drugs and drunk driving have been against the law for years and that does not help.
Having a gun will not help all the time but being defenseless will never help..

Isn't it better to have a gun and not need it than to need it and not have it!!