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Maybe conservatives lost because people are sick of their Christian conservative social values? - Hob - 11-19-2012 02:22 AM
I know that the official line from the Republican party now is that Obama won because people want free stuff. And I'm sure there is some of that. But I think a bigger issue is that people are sick of the Christian right trying to embed their religion into the law with things like gay marriage and banning pornography and all the other crap they try to shove on people. They act like they are such moral people, meanwhile... there isn't a single war the United States ever started that they don't support.
Maybe people are just sick of that crap?
Personally I love the free market and capitalism. I'd love to have a party that supported those ideas and dropped the conservative social values.
BTW, I have nothing against Christian values. I just don't think the federal government should push them on people.
@Joseph B: You are entitled to your views. Go live your life according to them. Don't get the government to enforce those on others. (Also, I'm not a liberal.)
@Me Ne Frego: It isn't that bad so far. But there are a few things. If you were gay you couldn't get married. If they had their way if your wife was raped you couldn't get a legal abortion. They are attempting other restrictions. If they just dropped that line they'd be in the executive office right now.
- Keith too - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
Sick of cons claiming that women, gays, & minorities are 2nd class citizens.
- StephenG - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
yup but they are pseuso christian values not true christian values. The sin is getting caught
- Jesus died for you - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
will pray for you to find the knowledge, peace and calm you seek
- u_bin_called - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
It has become clear that you guys have the edge on bigotry...
....pity that "introspection" has fallen so out of favor amongst your tribe...
- Rich Mahogany - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
At least we don't display our Christian Conservative values when it's convenient to like liberals.
- Aleister Crowley - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
You I like. I'd like to see the republican party abandon the "moral majority" myself, seeing that they are neither moral, nor the majority, nor have they ever been.
- shanquea - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
There is no permanence in politics. All is fleeting. All is cyclical. We find comfort in our cycle and distress when others rise to the top.
Right now, conservatives are bitterly disappointed. Some choose to check out mentally. Some have decided to throw in the towel. A few blame the American people. Many think the gig is up, the show is over, and destiny is undone.
Demography is not destiny and neither is the ever growing leviathan. Many think so now, but they forget the ebbs and flows of the tide of history. Conservatism is not done. The message of freedom and opportunity is not done.
No immigrant comes to the United States wanting to be on welfare. They come for a better life of hard work and success. What conservatives forget is that people forget.
And conservatives have done a terrible job reminding people.
Since Ronald Reagan rose from the ashes of the Goldwater movement, Republicans have articulated a message of freedom and opportunity — a rugged individualism that says if you work hard you can be what you want and do what you want. But people forget.
In the last decade or so, Republicans began to assume everyone just naturally agreed. They stopped explaining. They stopped being evangelists. Worse, conservatism morphed into Republicanism and instead of being about ideas, both became about the acquisition of power for the sake of power. Republicans no longer articulated a core set of principles through policy, but policies designed solely to keep them in power. The party leaders and many of its candidates began to do the same — freedom became a platitude, not a policy.
During Barack Obama’s tenure, Republicans tried to blur every line, make every compromise, and often surrendered before a weapon was even pointed at them. They did not articulate a positive conservative vision, but a defensive position that Obama was bad and they were good with little to show for it. They cut deals that sold out their core to preserve their power. They do so even today.
Republicans assumed Americans got it. They assumed Americans and Republicans were still speaking the same language. But they weren’t.
Politics is cyclical and Americans are forgetful. Republicans forgot that. They failed to keep advancing. They failed to keep explaining. They relied on on the tried and true that became the tired and stale.
- Mightysugar380 - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
Republicans aren't against Porn. Just the sick Homosexual agenda.
- Me Ne Frego - 11-19-2012 02:30 AM
I'm not a Christian, but I fail to see where they have imposed on me at all. I can be as debauched as I would ever want without breaking any laws.
This is hardly a country under the influence of their "values." Quite the opposite.